KJ Illin'

Eric sent this my way.  Thank you eric.

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Books 061128

off the top of my head, bc i'm blogging a fair bit tonight:

- The Complete Bone (in a single volume) (Jeff Smith)

A lot of fun and a gargantuan effort on Smith's part, but not quite deserving of the Best! Comic! Evar! lauds and laurels its been getting

- Gary Benchley, Rock Star (Paul Ford)

I read Ford in the Morning News before I knew it was Ford, and enjoyed the column. I think i was working at SuperCorporateWorld(TM) at the time. Meant to pick up the book, never did, and then found if for $5 at St. Marks and tore through it in about a day. Light, but a good read. I'll pick up the next Ford book i find.

Ok, disclaimer: the above link-gonhorrea is a result of 1) finding the Flock WYSIWYG editor to be pretty damn handy, and 2) having been reading blogs as if it were my job for about 4 years now, and not really writing that much, I feel as if there's a TON of hyperlinking to attend to. This man probably put that idea into my head when i was an impressionable 18 yr old. (Thanks)

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Flock? Really?

I'm attracted to the ease-of-use Flock offers--i spend a lot of time in a web browser, and I'd just as happily write as I do read if it were as effortless as a right-click.  But i've been burned by Flock registration bugs in the past, so I'm a little skeptical.  Hopefully after I log out of this session it won't fuXX0r my account settings as it has in the past.

So this bout of blogging is based on a bit of skepticism.  (And, apparantly, navel-gazing.)

Yesterday I went of a fever-burn of iTunes tagging, and tonight (after an IM from the Millenial Cousin asking for my favorite blogs) the ol' delicious got a tiny bit of love and care.  Wouldn't it be nice if my online web-two-point-oh-i-ness translates into a little real-life get-yrself-organized-ation-ness?

Yes.  Yes it would.

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Consumer Lust Breaks In

The reason: Nintendo's new controller. The device resembles a TV remote but with fewer buttons. It relies on wireless technology with built-in motion sensors to translate movement directly onto a TV screen. Wii can be swung like a tennis racket, twirled like a steering wheel, or pointed at the screen like a gun.

The Big Ideas Behind Nintendo's Wii

I haven't owned a console since pneumonia forced the parents to accede to my 4th-grade demands for an 8-bit NES, but for the first time in a long time (PS Streetfighter discs aside), I'm tempted to drop some cash on a video game machine.  Wiiiiiii.

(This is a test-post to see if the new version of Flock has gotten its Right-Click-"Blog This" act together).

Books

Yikes. Been a while. Try to get back in the swing of blogging.

Books finished recently:

Dennet, Dan Breaking the Spell

crap, there was something else. Forgot. More soon.

Reading list update

- Comics as Philosophy - didn't read every article, but the Crisis on Infinite Earths / Liebniz, the Watchmen article and the Black captain america essays were all excellent.

- I've got some "Introducing Barthes" book (Jonathan Cutler) that fits in my jacket pocket so i've been reading that on the subway. The aforementioned Black Captain America essay has some excellent thoughts on authorship and comics as a collaborative medium.

- Plowing through Dan Dennett's "Breaking the Spell". Its good, but after the novelty wears off of hearing my views articulately aired, its a little tedious to be part of the preached-to choir

- Still working on Jeffery's "The Man Who Ate Everything". Hard to read if i'm even the least bit hungry.

- Not exactly a book, but i trawled through a bunch of Eric S. Raymond essays this wknd. He's a little nutso, but not QUITE as nutso as he's portrayed as being.

- I've been re-reading Alan Moore's Watchmen in light of the Comics as Philosophy bit. I'd forgotten how good it is.

Ok, that's enough of that. I'm writing this post in Flock, and while i admire the idea of putting everything in one window, i can't say i'm crazy about the performance.

Reading In Parallel

There's nothing odd about watching several TV shows or playing several video games simultanously, but books tend to be idealized as serial pursuits: don't start a new one until you've finished whatever yr reading. I have NADD and a bad habit of beelining straight for the remainders table in St. Marks Books; consequently, there're a ton of books around, and they're rarely completely unopened *or* finished.

I have a few cubbies next to my reading nook, and I spent this evening tearing through a handful of books. In the cubbies:

It Must Have Been Somthing I Ate by Jeffery Steingarten
Breaking the Spell by Dan Dennett
Design Research, edited by Brenda Laurel (for class)
A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole
The Solitude of Self by Vivian Gorenick
Godel Escher Bach by Doug Hofstadter
Why I Am Not A Christian by Bertrand Russell
some comic-booky Introduction To Baudrillard

and a handful sitting by that I haven't really started:

The Philip K. Dick Reader
The Minds Eye (Doug Hofstadter and Dan Dennet)
Drawing for the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards

I wonder what this list will look like in a month...

Color Vision

Turns out that some people may have 4-channel color vision. Sweet.

Web 2.0 vs Star Wars

This is officially the funniest thing i've seen all day.

I got a 35. Not bad.

David Lee Roth Just Blew My Mind

...before 10am.

He's apparantly got a radio show now, which my radio is apparantly tuned to. In the course of taking phone-in ethics queiries with Randy Cohen, the Ethicist for the New York Times, the subject of file-sharing came up several times.

Finally, a caller chimes in with "hey man, you can't argue that this is still up in the air; the supreme court decided: look at the grokster deciscion."

to which this man replied:

"that's the territory man, that's not the map"

David Lee Roth reads Baudrillard. I love life.

Notes from cory's class

# 060208 Disassembly

## Agenda
- INTERNET ART
- EDITING IN HEX
- steal a jodi popup window
- pagesucker
- intro to perl, page scraping

## Roll Call
mike
charles
daniuelle
o
catherine
ck
rapheal
lee

## Internet Art

- 386 DX
[http://oss.jodi.org]
home computer band called 386 DX
sets u a 386 PC has it do midi and voice synth
performing music on stage, rock-star conventions
moshitng, videos, steege lieghts
compureter draws computer screensaves type visuals too
the computer's the star, although the prgrammer playes a geyboard like a keytar. but he wears a tshirt that says "not the artist"
pretty frickin great
circe 1998: "california dreaming
2001: "rape me"

[easylife.org/386dx]

1995: blahblahblah sites: sites he ahd found at the time that just had the words "blah blah blah" on them to see if hte page worked. no google, no decent search engines.

alexi shulgin

his new thing is called WIMP - windows VJ tool/turns windows into OpenGL-ish transformations

cory's noticing a theme- tkaing pop detritus and putting it somewhere it doens't belong using technically obsolete tools. eg, cory's site, alexi (nirvana-->386), ascii art ensemble

- Deep ASCII
Ascii Art Ensemble converted "Deep Throat" to an ascii movie.
ASCII History of Moving Images

- VinylVideo
store images on vinyl LPs -
alexi and asaciie art ensebmle teamed up on this one too

http://www.ljudmila.org/~vuk/

- History of art for airports
Vuk redid all of art history in bathroom-man illustrator style
late 1990s: illustrator came out in full effect

http://www.ljudmila.org/~vuk/history

Vuk pulled a disappearing act at the height of his fame

## Documenta done
every 10 yrs there's a huge art show in germany called "Documenta"
its like the whitney biennial times 20
first time there was a website for documenta, early in the wev, ppl didn't really have a hanfle on the web yet. when the festival was over, they were gonna take down the website. a very "art" concept; we put this up for the show and we're taking it down now.
"its a concept that's really relavent for file sharing and stuff"
Vuk copied the whole site the night before they took it down and reposted it as "Documenta Done"
ppl called him a "hacker"; all he did was copy the webite

jodi was featured at DOcumenta
it was the first time that the art world and the internet world met (and decided that they didn't like each other)
they wanted jodi to show their website on a local server; they didn't want anyone else to be able to get in
trying to get out to see jodi's exhibit would crash the computer

## Heath Bunting

[http://www.irational.org/cgi-bin/front/front.pl]

posted the london white pages to the net, had ppl call them. the art was phones ringing in london. it was a big deal at the time; showed the dissolution of distance

## ASCII Star Wars via Telnet

telnet://towel.blinkenlights.nl
http://www.blinkenlights.nl/thereg/

## ANSI



from wikipedia:

ANSI art is a computer artform that was widely used at one time on BBSes. It is similar to ASCII art, but constructed from a larger set of 256 letters, numbers, and symbols. Some ANSI artists take advantage of the cursor control sequences within ANSI X3.64 in order to create animations, commonly referred to as ANSImations. ANSI art and text files which incorporate ANSI codes carry the de facto .ANS file extension.

ANSI art is considerably more flexible than ASCII art, because the particular character set it uses contains symbols intended for drawing, such as a wide variety of box-drawing characters and block characters that dither the foreground and background color. It also adds accented characters and math symbols that often find creative use among ANSI artists.

The popularity of ANSI art encouraged the creation of a powerful shareware package called TheDraw coded by Ian E. Davis in 1986. Not only did it considerably simplify the process of making an ANSI art screen from scratch, but it also included a variety of "fonts", large letters constructed from box and block characters, and transition animations such as dissolve and clock. Mysteriously, no new versions of TheDraw emerged after version 4.63 in 1993, but in later years a number of other ANSI editors appeared, some of which are still maintained today.

The decline of both BBSes and DOS users has made it difficult for many users to even view ANSI animations. As a consequence, this form of art is no longer practiced to the degree it once was.

## Cracked BBS screens

- BBS welcome screens used ANSi graphics
- holy crap, cory's emulating the commodore64
- emulator's called "Power64"
- kids in europe are hijacking this new medium to get famous


## Commodore64
- first time computer fgames were on floppies rather than cartridges; it was the first time that computer games could be cracked. kids, mainly in europe, started cracking it, putting their name into the "registered to" field.
- Pretty quickly ppl started putting animations onscreen before the game loaded.
- Pretty soon they coelesced into "computer gangs" and started mirroring real street gangs and grafitti that had been around 15 yrs earlier in nyc.
- they approrpiated a hip hop aesthetic

### Avantgarde intro screen
- screen scrolling
- shout outs to friends
- cory found these guys and interviewed them
- they thought of it like they were in the masons; an undrground secret society

### Eaglesoft Incorporated
cracked marble maddness

### What gives you status?
- who's crack it first
- dissing the competition
- compressing the files
- adding cheat screens

### F4CG
- "fantastic four cracking group"
sounds like a early 80s hacking group

## Hacking Hex
- Hex is a way of encoding 1s and 0s that isn't as annoying as strings of 00011100
- hex is a mod-16 system: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F

### Headers
- a beginning part of the file that tells programs what kind of file it is

### Compression
- lets say we have an all black img.
- no compression would look like 000000000000...
- with compression, we could just say "256 zeros"
- BMP files: there's a color lookup table and then image data
- cory: aliasing is gonna come back as a design element

### Assignment for next wk
- make something using this
- ie, write something in hex/aftereffects
- there're lots of annying and frustrating things that you'll discover
- exporting movs in AE is really annoying

## Pagesucker
- lets you clone websites

Net Aesthetics 2.0 @ EAI

Last night's panel on Net Aesthetics 2.0 continued a streak of 2.0-themed events that I've recently attended. The panel was alright, but ran really long, and there was a lot of chaff to sift through. There were some good insights, especially regarding the nature of art on the internet vs. art in galleries, but i was a little disappointed with the work itself. I'm pretty crazy about most of the artists, especially Cory, but too much of the work seemed like one-liners.

I still haven't figured out how to post a txt file to Blogger, so i'll for now I'll just upload it as a separate link.

060206 Net Aesthetics 2.0 NOTES

060206 Net Aesthetics 2.0

Electronic Arts Intermix in conjunction w rhizome.org

panel members

1. wolfgang staehle
2. cory arcangel
3. michael bell-smith
4. marisa olson - sf based editor and art curator of rhizome
5. michael connor
6. caitlin jones - researcher at the gugghi


moderator
* lauren cornell

Intro Rmks

* 1976 - NJ Paik called for broadband internet

Lauren's Intro Rmks

* rhizome started out as a mailning list in 1996
* era of jodi.org
* slow, very experimental
* contrasted to today: multimedia, high speed, culturally ubiquitous
* how has the work changed?  how has the nature and reception of art online changed?

* Introduces panel

Wolfgang

Empire 24/7

* the Thing started in 1996
* office had a view of the empire state bldg
* thought of warhol, put a camera on it, started tinkering, just left it there
* in 1999 was invited to a german exhibition; had never thouhhgt about presenting in a exhibition context
* upon exhibition, it wasn't working; the screen was blank.  was the camera broken? the connectino?  no; it was 7am in nyc and the sun was coming up, blinding the camera.  this was Wolfgang's moment of rupture

Twin Towers

* time lapse video piece that was set up on 6 september 2001, took an img of the WTC every 5 secs
* shooting the WTC from what looks like the bkln Navy Yard
* http://2001.thing/net
* he did some other time-lapse stuff

Cory

Super Mario Clouds

• the first thing cory ever did that made him think the internet was cool: he was making abstract computer art, and then he went into the Super Mario Clouds


• he made teh artwork for the website bc there was no opportunity to show


• the art was an explanation of how he made it, moreso than the piece itself


• included threats to otehr artists: "you mess w the best, you die like the rest"


• after it started getting around, he was invited to show it in galleries; that changed the nature of the project


• "i wanted to make a webpage about a project that ppl would never have to see to know what it is"

Pizza Party

• command line pizza-ordering app that he made at eyebeam w micharl frimin


• "its cool that this .mov is small, bc that's what teh internet used to look like"


• "the point of hte project is that it is possible to send a guy running around the city with a few keystrokes"

Dooogle

• http://www.doogle.com


• when i put something online, its for ppl at work. its not like the gallery scene


• dooogle only returns results for doogie houser, md

"Sailing" by Christopher Cross in Arabic

Punk ROck 101

• Kurt Cobain's suicide letter w google ads

Michael Bell-Smith

• "My laptop died last wk, so i wanted to tell everyone 'you should back up yr data'"


• i want to talk about some videos both in an art-historical sense, but also in relation to the internet

Continue 2000

• looks like an animated gif of a superhero faceing the sun, back to camera, red cape flapping, standing on the roof of a house, floating over textured boomerands. every so often, the sun explodes


• this is something that hasn't been put on the internet, and may not be. related to what he calls "internet folk art", a few memes that come through


• he's shoeing a bunch of ranma1/2 animated gifs, mostly looping scenes of running or hair blowing in the wind. looks like scot mccloud's type4(?) type of comic panel: scene setting, tonal


• instance of folk art: animated gifs as avatars on forum boards


• sprites - "bldg blocks of all video games before everything got 3D"


• ppl all over the internet are capturing these sprites, frame by frame, from video games, re-using the sprites as building blocks for their own animation

R. Kelly's 'Trapped in the Closet ch 1-5 played Simultaneously' by Michael Bell-Smith

• uses R.KElly's "Trapped int he Closet" video as its source


• a pop song that comes in different parts


• pulpy soap opera


• all the parts have the same melody and cadence


• there were 5 parts when he made this; now there're 12 parts


• the idea was to play all of them on top of each other, kind of as a mash-up


• a little reminiscant of luke's Billboard piece

Marisa

• the whole reason i do all the things i do is bc i'm interested in communication, or what plato et al called "techne".


• major obsession w pop culture and the history of communication


• i just released my first xmas album, "the jackson 5 xmas as lup synched by marisa"


• had no friends, became interested in ideas of 'voice' as a signature and our most recognizable communication


• marisa's american idol audiotion training blog


• "all musicians have calluses" - stood in stilettos for 36 hrs


• once she started getting hits, she realized that it was all 18 yr olds who took it seriously


• got kinda pissed that these 18 yr olds weren't voting for pres, they were only voting for AI

moi.Movies

• took detritus from her desktop: pics laying around, sounds, whatever


• interested in iMovies's style: forced nostalgia

Abe and Mo sing the Blogs

• blues represent teh voice of the ppl


• blogs represent the voice of the ppl too


• picked some favorite blog posts and sang them

Troy's Mixtape of Love

• asked 10 artists to be listened to when sitting in a bar on a sunday morning, sipping a bloody mary, waiting for yr sweetheart


• found troy's mixtape (no music, only a few moment where he sings--the rest is a heartfelt confessional tape to his gf (who dumped him a few days later))


• after she dumped him, the new bf put the tape on the internet


• marisa put MIDI tracks behind troy

Universal Acid

• on NYE they posted green screen videos of marisa singing karaoke


• "Universal ACid" refers to evolution being such a powerful idea that it cuts across all fields and dogmas


• as the day wears on and her voice gets weak and some drinking happens,


• "transmission" is understood as a communication vector and a disease vector


• she wanted this to be an STD for yr brain

Michael Connor

• the implied narrative of "2.0" is some sort of rebirth or renaissance


• in the mid-late 1990s, the internet art boom mirrored the dotcom boom


• after the crash, no one wanted to touch it again, until very recently, when this stuff got credible/popular again


• "content is king" --> "information wants to be free"


• Bruce Sterling wrote "information wants to be worthless"; michael sees this as a 3rd way



• evreyone ont he panel has an anthropological bent to all of this

  
  
  
  
  
  • marisa, cory, and michael have a participatory vibe
  
  
  • wolfgang is more removed and objective
  
  

  • at what point do you draw a line bw what ppl do on the internet and the work that you do and that you call 'art'? Wolfgang, lets start w you.

    
    
    
    
    
    • WS - i'm not really following what's going on. i want my pics in the galleries asap, i'm not really following internet culture. After like 10 years of it i felt fried, liek i had my head stuck in a microwave. I needed to get out.
    
    
    • MC - i guess that i'm fascinated bc the piece that you showed is a live camera feed, and also yr WTC piece where a mundane piece became totally tragic due to events beyond yr control. That's kind of a found object. WHere do you position yrself in relation to the art world?
    
    
    • WS - i'm basically using it bc i'm interested in questions of "what does it mean to be here, in the world?"
      We're talking about 'aesthetics', but what's aesthetic about staring at a screen?
    
    
    • LC - I think the Q might be more relavent for the other artists, so i'll restate it: how do you take That Which Is Not Considered Art and turn it into art? When yr working with so many professionals and so many amateurs, how do you distinguish online bw what is art and what is not or does it not matter?
    
    
    • CA - when ther'es all this stuff, by all these ppl that're making such better stuff than me? and then, where do i fit in?
      I call it the 14 yr old finnish kid syndrome. THere're ppl doing stuff that's so frickin' cool, and in the art context it could work. the way i think of it, as a real benefit. not only do i have a community of friends, but i have a global community that inspires me and that i have to keep abreast of. i consider that stuff equal w the art stuff, and that my daily battle is to make sure that ht e stuff i make fits into th art context as well as that other contezt. when i put something on my blog, as soon as it gets copied, i'm no longer an 'artist'.
    
    
    • MBS - i think there's a shift in internet 2.0 in that things arent' treated so preciously. someone might be at work and look at doogle at work, and then surf right to kevin federline gossip.
    
    
    • MO - i reached this moment that everything i did is about the fan anyway, and this is the crazy stuff i'm compelled to do and i'm grateful that ppl are calling it art. when ppl rmx my stuff i get super-duper excited
    
    
  
  

Caitlin

• i like to talk about "internet folk art" or as i call it "internet outsider art". let's talk about nostalgia; pretty much erverything we saw tonight was not from 2006, it was from 199x. Cory, i know you say you don't like to indulge in nostalgia, and its not about nostalgia, its just abotu cheap computers...but esp yr internet stuff, it really is.




• no one can deal w caitlin calling 'bullshit'.




• MBS - i think there's a progression aroudn technology and aesthetics. i think a good way to deal w that is to take it back a bit and think of it as mediated and say "the internet looked like __ a few yrs ago, isn't that crazy". But remember that we're in one of those moments now.




• CA - i have two contradictory ways of looking at this:

  
  
  
  
  
  • on one hand, nothing is obsolete
  
  
  • ont he other hand, that's a lie. the thing about tech'y is that it moves so fast. but 15 yrs ago, the speed of change was so much slower. its just easier to take a few yrs off of it. i'm not sure what myspace means right now, but in two years i'll know what it meant
  
  



• CJ - i hear Cory as reacting to this slick corporate takeover of the internet




• MO - for me, this si about 'there's so much info otu there'. that's why i'm obsessed w greatest hits albums. its a retroactive making-sense-of things, things that're new to me.




• LC - this appropriation seems like a way of being allowed ot participate. i was thinking of how ridiculous teh web is, but that's a way to participate and celepbrate




• CA - i just think its impossible to keep up. other mediums are slower. i don't even try. but ask me in a few wks, maybe i'll be up to speed




• MC - WS, yr work looks at the internet as more of a tool. but this idea that tech'y isn't about utopia, its just a community that's kind of hilarious. what about yr animated gif; that's kind of utopian, no?




• MBS - there's something about trying to portray the sublime, employing rhetoric to do so.




• MC - there's an aspect of the sublime, but also an aspect of absurdity. the absurd int he art world is usually in response ot hte tragic. wolfgang?




• LC - i think early net art was concerned w the novelty of hte medium itself, but ppl complained that the work wasn't expressive in the way art should be.

Marisa: you seem to be interested int he rehersal of identity in yr work. i was thinking about how artists use things like blogs, flickr, and delicious. can you speak about why you use blogs in particular?

• MO - i love blogs, i love them for a few different reasons. they're so self-reflexive int hat there're all these little points that say "hey, i'm an entry. here's the date i was made. here's teh time i was made". i like to exploit that.
  I also think that blogs are a great place for "happenings", to revive an old word. time-based performacnes that're




• CJ - could someone go to jodi.org? in 1998, when you got all these pop-ups, ppl would freak out. in 2006 i still love this piece, but i love it for a different reason. its become a certain irritating part of hte internet. its gone from a piece about techn'l anxiety to a piece about advertising irritation.




• MO - i'm really interested in genre convetnions, but in film, fashiopn, food, or anything we consume, i think th efact that conventions exist says a lot about our culture. i think in blogging, that's really apt.

in any genre, there're rules that tend to determine what the form will be as well as what the conten twill be, and they tend to define how things will be consumed. that's true for italian vs japanese food, 1940s suits vs 1990s suits, etc. now we start to understand teh genre conventions even more now than we do in 1998.

• LC - i'm looking at jodi and its making me think about audience and internet art. i spoke recently an dd i showed jodi and it crashed my browser and it was humiiliaiting. but now its characteristic of

i know you all showed net art tongiht, but i know you all have gallery spaces. can you talk about that?

• MBS - onew thing that's nice about hte internet tis that it is this space where you can put thins online w/o consequnec, its a little bit of a safer speace in that you can put things out there. i use the internet as kind of a sketch pad; i'll put o=up something i didn in and afternoon and then i'll get a response and start to really work on it.

i thinkk there's this kind of freedom there that ppl are exploring. dealing w gallereis, in terms of appropriation an int erms of internet outsider ar, thta tget as a lot weirded bc there's no context. ppl in a gallery won't really know what's going on in erms o dfhte internet.

• CA - its a really difficult process to decide what pieces will work in the gallery. totally different audience. in my gallery practice, i do try to deal with the Sublime. i've made a lot of mistakes putting the internet space in the gallery




• MC - i have a lot of expirience at putting internet art in galleries. i used to curate a "media lounge" in liverpool, a working-class town. FACT, the place where the lounge was, was portayed as The Wave of the Future, the rehabilitation of hte town.

The first exhibit was a artists take on file sharing, but the locals didn't get it.

There's a notion of hierarchy where the artists's in a privlidged position. __ said "being an artist is like being a little kid. you can put yr hand anywhere, but its always in sort of a play-space"

games are trancendental. don't say "just a game" disparagingly.

internet in the gallery is the Theatre of the INternet, its not just the internet. don't forget that.

• MBS - there's an authority there: "now that the work is in a gallery, ppl will see it". that no longer needs to be done to grant authority to internet art. can i ask you a question; do you think that bc you no longer __?




• MC - i def think that curating and showing stuff at FACT wasn't about our Word Of God bestowing the status of Art on these works. Arguing that 'internet art is already accessbile' isn't necessarily true; its accessbile to a differnt audiecne. its important to thav ehtose institiutional cvoices and interfaces.




• WS - its totally essential to maintain control of how yr art is presented. perceptions change w different modes of perception. all this activist art is fantastic




• LC - this panel feels like field research for me; rhizome's purpose is to investigate how we can use the internet in new ways, an done of my interests is "how does the internet exist offline?" and tactical media is a part of that.

Audience Questions

• Q - to what degree is internet art informed byt hte fact that the artist doesn't necessarily know who the audience is?




• MO - even now, i get doxens of emails from 16 yr old girls who want to go on american idol. its really exciting to me to make work that ppl have an emotional response to. it doesn't matter if those ppl are art buyers or teenyboppers.




• CA - i love WS's point that "i put some things ong the net that i loved, but i put them online, and no one cared". but there's this chapel of a gallery, and you put something in teh gallery and ppl are all "oh wow, i get you".




• Q - my two favorite internet art pieces in the last yr were postsecret and Weresorry.com
  do you think that collaborative mass art is possible?




• WS - i was involved; i think it was in 1999 that etoy was sued by etoys.com; the toy company sued the art group even though the art group was there first. etoy put a game online with a miliary hierarchy that mobilized 1000s of ppl in the net art community to flood the mailboxes of the judge who issued the injunction




• LC - that's a really good conversation, bc that brings up "what constitutes 'art on line'. Blackpeopleloveus.com is a good example.




• Q - you've used the word "sublime", but the title of this show is "aesthetics" and i don't think i've heard you use the word "beauty" once. I don't think art has to have beauty, but i find it odd that we havne't mentioned it.




• MS - beauty int he mainstream art world tends to be lowbrow; everything is so conceptual right now that anything beautiful is seen as corrupt. maybe the internet is a space wwhere beauty is safe.




• MBS - the firsrt video i showed i tried to make really beautiful




• MC - i think a lot of artists are reconsidering beauty right now, bc its been debunked for so long. i think one of the problems w beauty an teh internet is that its been immediately co-opted by commercial interest. the politics of beuaty on the internet are different



• CJ - or maybe we've acceped "beauty is int he eye of hte beholder" and we don't talk aobut it anymore.


• CA - i haven't made the Kurt Cobain thing public yet bc i don't think it looks good.


• Q - Can we google "sublime"?


• Q - [old greyhair lady] we should be sitting here w/ computers. yr showing us projected art. where's the audience?


• LC - i'll answer that, but i'm going to repeat myself. "2.0" is a little bit of a joke bc there's no clear break w the next pahse. but 'internet' being a part of everday life has scattered what it means

Nam Jun Paik, RIP

1932-2006

How to Learn French on Zero Dollars / Day

Pame just mentioned that she wants to learn french, and I pointed her to a review from Kevin Kelly's indispensible Cool Tools. There're 52 30-minute long segments which can be bought, borrowed from a public library, or streamed online. Watch the whole set, one per day, three times or so, and voila--you've added another language. Right?

JB Notes on NYSIA - Web 2.0 Wave of the future

JB Notes on NYSIA - Web 2.0 Wave of the future
monday, 20060123

ed note: sorry this is so ugly, but its better than nothing

NYSIA is pitching its publicity svcs: a newsletter. "i don't know why ppl aren't using this" he's begging. and he couldn't be less "new media" or "web 2.0" if he tried.

++++++ WEb 2.0 Decoded - Howard Greenstein
howardgreenstein.com has a copy of these ppt slides

Tim O'Reilly coined the term, drew up a meme-map

- users control the data
-

HG doesn't know the word "tag cloud"

is the new model of publishing a mass amateuization

Key pts:
- web qua platform
you control yr data
data is remixable
sortware as svcs, w interfaces to which others can attach
petretual beta tests
users are trusted allies
long tail (everybody drink!)

+++ User Generated Content

SNS's
flicker (sic)
del.icio.us

tristan louis - openness encourages sites to grow

bness slang for network models
"tension trust"
"root market"

suprglu.com - aggragates tags for flickr, myspace, del.icio.us, etc

LAMP = linux/apache/PHP or Perl or Python and MySQL - basically, anyone but M$

excite founder: its an order of magnatide cheaper to start jotspot today than excite during dotcom

what is AJAX?
what is long tail

+++ Panel

Bob Wyman - CTO of PubSub.com; "searching the future". rather than indexing pre-existing pages, they record what yr looking for--like a subscription?--and pushing it to you via IM clients.

"web 2.0 tailors data to the machines so that machines can do the thinking"

Fred Wilson - VC

Joshua Schacter - del.icio.us, spent a while on wall street "del is a social system for sharing--FOR NOW--bookmarks" (emphasis added) "tags are the things i invented by renaming 'keywords'"

Dennis Crowley - dodgeball.com, mobile SNS. "technology that facilitates serendipity". txt msg dodgeball and they'll buzz you when a friend comes in

+++ Panel Qs

++ What's the big deal w Web 2.0? Is this new technology or new uses of tech?

DC - the tech's been around forever, we're finding new sociual uses. we'll supply the framework, the users will supply the content

JS - user-created content was here in web 1.0 (eg cddb, imdb). the big diff is PHP. now anyone can build anything. lowering the transaction cost of 1) making a new thing and 2) talking about it

FW - web 2.0 is an oxymoron bc the whole notion of naming software releases sequentially is exactly what web-point-oh (verbal slip) isn't. they iterate their software for daily or weekly and ship it whenever

BW - in the 90s, technology stopped dvlping bc everyone was worried abotu deployment. web 2.0 is the coming back around again, not necessarily a tech'y change but a realization that we need to come back around again

+++ ?

JS - i think web svcs are nice, but i don't see ppl creating things using other APIs. the incluencers build stuff, but the top tier aren't consumers of APIs. APIs are useful to ppl, and are effective advertising

DC - when a feature isn't offered, ppl use APIs to roll their own. eg Flickr/Google Maps

FW - "the consumer version of real web svcs". the thing that concerns me about w2.0 is that its getting a lot less expensive to build these things, and that makes it really hard to get a handle on what's out there. its commoditizing the value propesition of existing web svcs. it leads me to question whether this is a good place to invest in from a financial POV. 2003 might have really been the sweet spot; that's when del and dodge came out. VC moved in around 2004. its w1.0 all over again; we've seen this movie before, and we all know how it ends.

we're flooded by web svcs, but i'm not seeing a flood of viable bnesses. small players using AdSense or something to generate $5-10k/mo, and that's a great model for them, but not investors.

BW - more ppl are making small amts of money. (sounds like the long tail to jb). we've seen the same thing w componentization in technology. we diesigned a strategy: put down a platform w/ an interface that would make it easy for ppl to add value (now its evolved to .net), the idea being if its easy to dvlp, ppl will dvlp. the easier it is to build a component, the more likely it is to be commoditized. facing the competition for commodity, though, they won't be albe to build platforms. they'll never be able to play w the big boys. they think they're building great bnesses, but they're really just sustanace-lvl survival. the platform builders are capturing all the value.

++ Q: What's Missing?

FW - the problem w consumer-facing web svcs is that they can't be subscription-based unless yr delivering a LOT of value. so yr stuck w a media model, the problem w which is that you either use a self-svc system like AdSense (you'll make a little $$$, but not a lot) or you can go out and build yr own advertising infrastructure, which is pretty hard to do.

JS - this is some downer-talk, but i have a buddy who runs a forum that pays his mortgage. he did it for yrs, w no renumeration. that's neat. i think the stuff fred's gonna look for is the stuff that changes the system, changes teh way to change the flow. we've got money-flow, attn-flow. seach engines are a big new thing in that they change the attn-flow, they change the transaction cost for finding information. now we can monetize small amts of attn usefully.

BW - by lowering the barriers to entry, there's a huge boost in innovation. teh downside, is that its harder to capitalize on each individual innovation. but the system as a whole enjoys a positive boost by large inovation.

FW - i think its disappointing that two of hte most sucessful consumer facing web svcs got sold before we could figure out if they could get monetized--skype and myspace. if they'd stayed independant we may have seen a more interested bness model.

BW - M$ is coming out w new RSS and aggregation, and that means that innovation is gonna come to a screeching halt. it used to be IBM that did this, now its M$, it'll probably be google. once the 800lb gorilla is shipping code for free, innovation screeches to a halt.

FW - this is what pisses me off; $1.99 for a tv show ruins the bness model. why should i pay for something i get for free?

DC - the inovation is all at ITP; everything starts at a hobby. a lot of the innovation is coming from small products.

++ Q: when i graduated ITP in 94, the hot new thing was streaming jpgs. they used it for porn and made a mint. So far i've heard: its scratching yr own itch, its finding yr own needs, solving them, and exporting it to other ppl. FW, you said that there's too much to track; what's hit yr radar lately?

FW - ppl hit me w that every day--"you need to check this out". but what changed my way of behaving? I add something to my bag of tricks about once a month, lately i got into last.fm. this is a trend i like called "myware", which is basically spying on yrself and using it to discover what i like and what other ppl w similar interests like.

JS - web-based multiplayer games; click once or twice a day. my citibank acct is more interactive than most online games. i'm facinated that there's a UI model that scales to something very complicated, while games dont. i feel that there's something there. the flickr guys were a game company first; all this technology (AJAX, LAMP) hasn't been brought into the gaming world.

BW - what's interesting to me is that we're not using w1.0 terms. no "sites". we're not talking about places, we're talking about svcs. that's a BIG difference. we're talking about logic [computation] rather than data.

JS - a lot of this stuff isn't paid for. ppl want to go in and get it for free, and if they ahve to pay to play its very expensive to go it. Would you pay $5/mo for CL? (someone shouts "yes!"). JS - NO! you might use it, but not enough other ppl do.

FW - pulling out yr wallet's a pain in the ass. flickr figured it out though. once i was into it, paying another $24 to go pro was the easiest deciscion i ever made.

BW - bezos said "w1.0 is for ppl, w2.0 is for machines". blogging is all verse written online. we've built up all these closed systems. we need a semantic web. structured blogging allows the machines to parse this stuff. the idea is to get structured publishing back on track, this is an old idea, its from the 1980s.

Q: what do you think of microformats?

BW - there's an activity, which is structuring semantics. MFs are one style to structure the content. its one of many ways of adding structure. a lot of ppl like XML.

Q: i'll rephrase; what's the added value?

FW - you've got millions of ppl contributing data, but there's no way to filter the chaff. i don't want to HAVE to go to Zagats, or MenuPages to get "week-old italian rest reviews in soho".

JS - that's fine, but how do we bootstrap it? it sounds great if everyone does it, but if not everyone does it, its nowhere.

DC - but now we've got 3 or 4 formats

BW - don't worry about that, the geeks will worry about that. the important thing is to train ppl to structure teh content.

FW - as a content provider, i don't want to structure; right now, i'm jsut talking about it. i think the way to do it is to let the USERS structure the content int he process of consuming the content and make it re0usable over time.

JS - the value proposition here is "everyone do a little more work so the aggragators can get going". its a matter of using indicative data; if someone posts a amazon URL, you know there's a book.

BW - this is why we have no tools for reading stuctured content, bc we want to prove that ppl will do it even though there's no way to read it. we want to prove that ppl will structure bc it makes sense to them. look at incredibooks.com. These are homeschooled kids writing book reviews, the site looks good--they could never do it if we didn't give thems structred tools. They can utilize the templates, the prettyness, the cover art, etc. it just so HAPPENS that the strcuture remains in the post.

+++ AUD QUESTIONS

Q: Why are GOOG and YHOO valuable?

BW - platform produceers are the place to be

DC - we chose GOOG, they didn't choose us. we didn't want to run a bness, we wanted to do research.

JS - i don't think del is a platform play, its a media and attn play. we had insane traffic , and ppl we're reading it, not using it.

Q: is web2.0 a big lawsuit waiting to happen? what happens when the user-content producers want to move their content?

BW - non-issue. now ppl own the data. publish on yr site, and we don't need book reviews on AZN; the reviews will come from the writer's sites.

FW - no way. unless you go F/OSS & run on yr own server, you are contributing to someone else's system. if i were to lose it, i'd lose lots of value.

BW - the bness model is selling ads to communities you build

JS - del has an open API and you can take yr ball and go home.

FW - but how many ppl do that?

DC - that's the problem w SNSs. Fster and MySpace lock you in.

BW - old Garnen systems are built ot suck you in and not let you out

Q: i find it interesting that i have differnet identities and differnt personas. how will w2.0 facilitate me keeping it together?

JS - some ppl want to bring multiple IDs together, other ppl want them kept seperate. its probably a safer world in which no one has figureed that out yet.

BW - ID has been concived of as a byproduct of walled gardens. its not related to you, its not yr tag for you, its THEIR tag for you. A tremendous amt of what goes on is the bness model of taking ID and selling it back to you.

Q: ???

FW - CLI is so much more efficient than GUI for most things.

BW - in the 70s and 80s, CLIs were great--for us. But we had to start building for Desktop users, and they didn't get this stuff. So we did research, and found out how offices worked. And that's how the desktop metaphors came about. It made a lot of sense at the time, but now ppl are saying "gee, this is cumbersome".

FW - so maybe we've outgrown the physical metaphor.

Q: shirky defined social software as "stuff that gets spammed". how do you solve that?

BW - understand that del may not be subject to that. there's 1st person tagging ("I'm the author and i'm writing about this") and 3rd person tagging, which is what del is about. turns out the motivations are very diff. 1st person is interested in attracting audience. 3rd person tagger is more interested in DESCRIBING the object that's so-tagged. generally you'll find that 3rd person is more useful.

JS - its all about Attention Theft. attn is valuable, and ppl try ot divert it everywhere. i haev a lot of behavioural info about the users; right now its easy to spot spammers.

DC - dodgeball needs to be tied to a workign mobile number. that makes it pretty easy to spot spam. w.in a closed social network, you can only reach yr immediate network. if we give users the tools to manage, they'll manage.

FW - spammers should be flogged

BW - there was a time, when the net was young...

JS - "my spam filter ate yr mail" has become a accepted social excuse. that's really interesting.

Q: what's the investment picture? and: w2.0: tech'l progression or mkting hype?

FW - we're overexposed again. copycats are the antithesis of innovation. inoovation comes when there's no obvious thing to do, no easy thing to do. i would suggest innovation is inversely correclated w periods of hype and excess capital.

JS - we all started companies that predate the term "web2.0"

BW - when you componentize, there's a flurry of lots of little innovation. its not Big Problem stuff that the VCs like.

DC - w2.0 is all the stuff that we had as hobbies before we got fired in the dotcom days.

JS - its interesting in that the hype works both ways. you can go home and work on things instead of being depressed. but VCs would say "we're interested in 'web 2.0'" and we'd drink a shot.

FW - the term "w2.0" was a reasonable term at the time; the second incaration of the web. ther's a historical story there. but this is a cyclical bness

BW - there's a lot of mkting hype, but there're a lot of good ideas too.



*** - jb ideas - what about a mspace/ fster scraper. this data isn't that hidden; free the data!

ID problem: is anonymity a recent blip? for most of human history we used to live in schtetls and evreyone knew everyone ['s bness].

Back in the Saddle

the latest incarnation of "jb trying to blog" hasn't gotten off to a roaring start, but after a pep talk from todd, i'm trying to make a go of it.

I went to the NYSIA mtg on "Web 2.0: The Wave of the Future" and talked about tech and sushi with Josh Schacter, Dennis Crowley, and Fred Wilson. The panel discussion was pretty great, but NYSIA had WAY too many suits, and way too few nerds.

Bad Signs for a Tech Conference:

- no wifi
- a single powerstrip for 250(?) ppl

i took notes on the talk; since i can't figure out how to UL a txt file via blogger, i'll make it another post.

DIY Spatter Guard

spotted on 17th & 8th ave

treo Test subj

Treo test body

Hello World

Ahem.

Well now.

I'm sure each new year launches at least as many new blogs as it does new gym memberships; here's mine. I've been reading blogs (and making the occasional Overly Serious Attempts at writing them) since about 2002. Most recently, i was required to maintain a blog for a progamming class. Once the "Pat Morita, RIP" posts started appearing, i realized that its about time I had a sandbox of my own. I hereby promise to

- post whenever the hell i feel like it
- feel inadequate when i don't post frequently enough
- eventually get off the blogspot teat and build a respectable portfolio site for my design work.

oh yeah, all the usual "about me" and "my interests" vanity parade? settle down buster, that stuff's sure to come as soon as i get some 0's and 1's in order. At the moment, i bear WAY too much of a resemblance to this guy.